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dichotomize) wrote2013-03-05 01:43 am
dichotomize) wrote2013-03-05 01:43 am
Question Meme
I AM GOING TO BE AWOL FOR VACAY, but I would like to post at question meme stuff while I'm gone so!
ASK ME QUESTIONS AND THEN I ASK YOU QUESTIONS AND THEN YOU ASK ME QUESTIONS, AD NAUSEUM.
Decollage - Ticky, King/Davesprite
Aather - Elliot
Thoughtformed - Hal Strider/AR
Soul Campaign - Hal Strider/AR
ASK ME QUESTIONS AND THEN I ASK YOU QUESTIONS AND THEN YOU ASK ME QUESTIONS, AD NAUSEUM.
Decollage - Ticky, King/Davesprite
Aather - Elliot
Thoughtformed - Hal Strider/AR
Soul Campaign - Hal Strider/AR
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HOW IS HELLION FEELING ABOUT HIS BROS.
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King: he's...got extreme amounts of King dere and he's just sort of allowing it to continue to exist and grow while he figures out how to proceed with it. like he doesn't really want to go all out wooing with King (though probably he's considering how he could do that) but he is definitely going to be a little pushier and flirtier because holy shit bro is flirting back now????? green light ok ok. he's really happy just being around King though. best friend and most trustworthy person and bro bro bro. a million doki for King. can't wait to get a handful of dat ghost butt.
DAVE THO. Dave is so complicated because Hellion was pretty dickish to Dave 1.0 and they never really got to work that out. Dave 2 he actually tried a little harder with but it's still a lot more difficult for him to deal with Dave than it is for him to deal with King? (King will always be the alpha Dave in his kokoro) he'd still do basically anything for Dave though, and will always try to protect Copper Rose even though the rest of bro's team seems like a bag of dicks. he also is really worried about him because coprse sucks so much and is going to become another celeste. he just wants to protect Dave--his desires are a lot more brotherly right now. more like cuddling the shit out of him and harassing him with Cal and strifing and making him freakout and stuff instead of makeouts and touching his butt. (though he would not object to doing those either...being sandwiched between Daves sounds gr8 tbh)
basically: bros are the shit, he will be devastated and heartbroken every time something happens to them and he's going to stick his tongue in King's mouth asap while simultaneously nuzzling Dave forever (unless Dave wants in too).
SO KING WHAT IS THIS ABOUT MEMORY WIPING >:T >:T
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King's... or really all Dave's worth of their existence is tied to how well they can be something for other people. While this could feasibly manifest in forms other than PROTECTIVE KNIGHT, it's what he's most inclined toward because it reinforces the idea that like, his body has no value beyond his ability to use it physically for others, and his thoughts period aren't really important because knights aren't thinkers! And just IS A GOOD FIGHTER AND IS NOT THAT SMART. And his bro raised him to be a ninja, not a leader or a follower or anything else really, so it works with what he already understands about the world.
Right now Canary is like, constantly nearly going to war with Celeste, mostly because March is PROFOUNDLY HORRIFICALLY PARANOID, and Canary is full of dumbshits who don't know how to deal with a psychopath. In this case specifically Rabbit, though Duchess is a problem as well, and at this point he really has no reason to believe that others won't become a problem too. King has been trying REALLY HARD to avoid this, because March isn't someone he can settle with with violence! Mostly because resurrections make March effectively immortal, and when it comes to WHO CAN HURT WHO MORE, March is just way more terrifying because he comes from a terrifying world. In the game of MURDERING EVERYONE YOU LOVE, March will win every time and King knows it. BUT March doesn't really want to go to war, so ok yay! Except Rabbit threatened March and told him they would go to war and he would make him regret things and 8') Yes. IT WAS BAD FOR A MINUTE THERE. And since half of Canary does not get how bad it is, he's pretty resigned to the fact that at some point March is going to flip his shit and kill one of their more helpless members, and as THE KNIGHT/MEAT SHIELD, IT'S HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO RETALIATE. If he cannot protect Canary from March he literally does not see what he is good for.
So far on Canary he's kind of had like... all of his other points of validation pulled away from him. He failed as a leader, and so not only is not the leader but now Rabbit constantly tells him how much he sucks for even trying to keep people from dying via their own stupidity. He can basically never say anything without someone on his team flipping out and apparently hating him for it. He's managed to significantly piss off or hurt Hatter, Rabbit, and Duchess, and every convo with Rabbit pretty much sucks. Basically he just feels like he's a drain on the teams resources in that they have to deal with his stupid failing feathery ass and the only thing he has going for them as a contributing team member is that he can talk to March, and has multiple occasions prevented March from flipping his shit and killing everyone!
But the thing is, through learning to Deal With March, he actually came to genuinely like him and want to help him, as a fr...iend...? And he feels like shit about it because as much a March is technically a person, I guess, he's not a person who is more important than Canary. But King can't... kill someone he cares for. He just can't. So what seems likely to happen is AT SOME POINT MARCH FLIPS OUT AND KILLS SOMEONE ON CANARY WHO ISN'T HATTER >> KING MUST RETALIATE BECAUSE THAT IS HIS ONLY FUCKING PURPOSE. But he can't. He can't kill March in cold blood,fuck he can't kill March period because King can kick March's ass, so even if they were actively fighting it would still be basically a choice to murder him. And he can't.
So at that point he has no use to his team whatsoever \=D/ He isn't a leader, he isn't even a follower, he regularly pisses off his teammates, he is not particularly good at games or anything else, if he can't protect them from a murderous psycho then why the fuck does he even exist?
So I think what he would do is just run away for a while, but he can't actually go anywhere. He would probably eventually come to the conclusion of the issue is just that he like, started over wrong. He came here with no memories and because of how things worked out, and because of the name King, he got the idea that he should be all this shit he isn't really suited to being. Maybe if he just wipes and starts over again, with a few notes on things to not mess up, he'll be a better teammate.
I SHOULD ADD HERE THAT DECO IS ALL KING HAS. Like, there is no. I JUST NEED TO ENDURE THIS BULLSHIT TO GET BACK TO MY WORLD AND HELP THE PEOPLE REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME. He's Fake Dave, a doomed Dave, his existence is even more valueless in Homestuck canon because lol, he gave it all up \=D/ So... Deco HAS to work for him, or he shouldn't exist at all, because he has no where else to go, no where to return to, no other people to hold out for. Which is also kind of why if he feels like he has no purpose in Deco, his last bastion to justify his life, he will absolutely straight up just start over again and hope he fucks up less the second time.
how upset would Hellion be if King did this...
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ok so first it would depend on whether King informed Hellion of that plan BEFORE he went and wiped his memory.
if King did NOT tell him (which i'm sort of assuming would be the case??) Hellion would be reeling from something that felt a lot like betrayal. he wouldn't be able to reconcile why King would do that, after all of the shit that has happened (between them and just in general). he would also be INCREDIBLY angry. really, really pissed off at King because that's NOT HOW YOU HANDLE YOUR PROBLEMS, bro, but, honestly, most of anger will probably be directed at himself because he wasn't able to even try to stop it. HE DIDNT EVEN KNOW THERE WAS A PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE??? and that's pretty fucking horrible. and then there will definitely be the thought that some of King's problems stemmed from how Hellion has treated him but he was too much of a douche to really feel concerned about it until something drastic happened and wow, he's a really shitty person and brother and friend, how had he been able to ignore that for so long??
it'd be like the pain equivalent of King leaving him and being taken out of Deco with the bonus heartbreak of King still being around. it would fuck Hellion up really bad and probably he wouldn't be able to deal with King at all for a while because he would be too fucking sad about it. you killed off his favorite person and the source of most of the best memories he has from his amnesiac life. and when he finally was able to bring himself to interact with King, he would try to be standoffish and distant because WHO'S TO SAY THAT YOU WONT JUST GO AND DO IT AGAIN once he reestablished some sort of relationship again. bitter as fuck.
now if King told him, it would be a little better. obviously he would try to show him how fucking dumb it would be to go through with it if given the opportunity but like, even if King didn't give him that chance and just left him a glowing orange note like "yo doing this thing because of reasons, heads up", that would be slightly less damaging than just doing it without saying anything and suddenly having to confront his brother and best friend at Deco that no longer knows him or remembers their time together, etc. the betrayed feeling wouldn't be so bad but he'd still be upset, because it is like, wow you fucker you just threw away our entire established relationship right in front of my face, thanks for the consideration, bro.
but he'd also try to make sure that this time things went right for King because he DOESN'T WANT THIS SHIT HAPPENING AGAIN DO YOU HEAR ME BRO? NEVER AGAIN. he'd do whatever he could to keep things going right annnnnd if the way he had been with King was partly responsible for this happening, then he'd stop. So probably no more being so flirty. He'd probably start treating him more like he treats Dave, which would be hard because crush but he could manage it. Hellion would do anything for his brothers.
ugh it hurts MY heart tho aviy why do u do these things to me???????
also whoops forgot to put a question besides that^^^
how do you think 2xs amnesia combo King would feel about Hellion if he acted completely differently?
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UH it would mostly depend on how Hellion treated him, but the thing is that while King got amnesiaed and then was pretty much free to figure himself out in the first day or so without being told who he is or who he is supposed to be or how much he sucks, NEW KING would instantly get a note from himself about basically. I/YOU FAILED AT EVERYTHING SO WE'RE STARTING OVER, HERE IS THE SHIT YOU FUCKED UP AT, HERE IS YOUR ONLY JOB. So he'd be placing himself in a situation to have no self worth FROM THE START, and to be more okay with that, to take responsibility for his own shitty actions and the fact that he failed at everything, including everyone important to him \=D/
So if Hellion was like WOW YOU SUCK I AM SO MAD AT YOU he'd be like yeah that's legit, and if Hellion was like I DON'T WANT TO TALK TO YOU he'd be like ok. Basically he'd be a lot more humble and passive and accepting of anyone having an issue with him. It's probably be obvious that Hellion is upset and he wouldn't want to make that worse so he'd just, leave him to it.
But he'd also like, probably be really compliant overall. So if Hellion WANTED to get him with faster it'd be easier 8') In fact he'd probably do basically anything Hellion wanted him to as long as it didn't hurt Canary. OWES HIM AT LEAST THAT MUCH. ETC.
Also tbh he'd probably also be kind of pissed at his past self for sucking so much and then leaving him to like, dig them both out of the suck.
BUT New King would also get back memories of deco time, so he would remember some things gradually, and maybe try to make more proper amends.
WOULD ANY OF YOUR ANSWERS CHANGE IF HELLION AND KING ACTUALLY MADE OUT/BANGED/W/E BEFORE HE ERASED HIMSELF...
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sooo the thing is that as soon as hellion gets king, he's gonna be a little...in his face. he's been building this shit up for so long that it'll be like holy shit king yes go go go let's build this nest of iniquity. he's def not going to let it be just a one time fling. once they DO WHATEVER, he's going to be sneakily seeking out ways to get time with King alone. waggling his eyebrows. flashstep asstouching. just being generally obnoxious and harassing and terrible. but he'd also like, try to get King cool shiny things as presents and cuddle and smooch him and be really gay at him and make him happy and stuff. (gaaaay) Hellion is still nearly Dirk levels of shitty at relationships and has only a vague sense of what is appropriate (and doesn't entirely give a fuck about that anyway) but he has also had pretty good examples of love and relationships in his deco life from the threesome so there's that.
how does this relate to king erasing himself? welllllll, there is probably not going to be any, "oh we had sex so i don't give a fuck what you do now go ahead and wipe your brain whatever." probably there'd be more of a feeling of failure from it since there'd be a new sort of attachment/level to their relationship that got thrown to the trash. also bonus I MUST BE THE WORST BROTHER /AND/ BOYFRIEND for letting it happen/not even seeing it coming/possibly making shit worse for King.
surprisingly i don't really think King being more compliant after the erasure would make Hellion instantly be like, wow yes let's take advantage of this immediately. honestly part of King's charm to Hellion is actually how he's tsun as hell, a backtalking little shit who constantly rebuffs any advances and makes snipes about how gay Hellion is. Hellion drawn like a magnet to that because he is rly dumb and it is cute and hilarious and so different from how everyone else interacts with him and there is something about chasing after someone that Dirk just doesn't ever seem to get tired of (see: Jake English). if King were suddenly like, ok sure whatever touch my ass i owe you one bro, Hellion would probably be really conflicted. On the one hand, free ghost butt. But on the other, could i actually get off knowing that this entire thing is just because King told his post-erasure self that he had to do what i wanted? (probably but it wouldnt be as good) I mean, hellion is definitely into puppets and things that that do whatever he wants because saves him time on manipulating them but he also doesn't...really want King to be like his sex doll or something. they are first and foremost brothers, so anyone (reluctantly including himself) having that sort of influence over King doesn't really sit that well with him.
he also is damn certain that King doesn't owe him anything at all and it would piss him off to hear that. ANYWAY yeah i don't know. hellion really isn't as much of an unsympathetic douche who doesn't know how to feelings as he was when they arrived. King erasing is gonna hit him pretty hard no matter what.
would King have informed himself of the butt touching development in his note to himself? are they even that close to getting their butt touching on given how fucking dumb they are and how ineffectual Hellion's courtship is?